专访孙杨：结束禁赛，很想念站在比赛跳发台的感觉
新闻原文：
在澎湃新闻的专访中，孙杨表示，四年的痛苦遗憾都已过去，现在他决定重返赛场，给自己一个交待。
被禁赛的四年零三个月，孙杨说，他没有间断过游泳训练。从7岁被选中，这条“泳道”他游了二十多年，日复一日。
大概没有人会怀疑他的天赋与勤奋。年少成名，大满贯得主，孙杨创造的一项游泳世界纪录长达13年没有被人打破。
孙杨在训练中。
但就在他最意气风发的时刻，一切戛然而止了。
2020年2月28日，国际体育仲裁法庭（CAS）宣布，中国游泳名将孙杨未能遵守世界反兴奋剂机构(WADA)的规定，破坏反兴奋剂取样，将被禁赛8年，但孙杨此前的比赛成绩依然有效。对此，孙杨决定上诉至瑞士联邦最高法院。
上诉最终未能成功。当地时间2022年3月4日，瑞士联邦最高法院宣布，针对孙杨的禁赛维持到2024年5月底。
如今回想起来，孙杨说，那段时间“痛苦又漫长”。他一度不想跟任何人说话，也没有地方正常训练，他就在家楼下的健身房里游，不停地游，游到父母都怕了。
他还是捱过了最难的时候。四年里，他结了婚，重回校园读书，此时，坐在我们面前接受采访的孙杨，三十二岁，状态不错，看上去也沉稳了许多。
这些年，关于他的新闻和流言，好的坏的，他说都记得，但现在的他，不太会被这些影响了。
回归赛场，他已不再年轻，想维持从前的状态可能要付出几倍的努力，但他还是想较个劲，这次，他的对手是自己。
孙杨决定重返赛场。
【以下为澎湃新闻对孙杨的专访】
“决定回归是给自己一个交待”
澎湃新闻：是什么时候下决定要回归赛场？
孙杨：2020年，当我接到仲裁最终结果的时候我就下定决心，4年后我一定会回来，不会选择退役。
澎湃新闻： 为什么会下定这个决心？
孙杨：首先对游泳这项运动的热爱，我想坚持下去。虽然我已经不再年轻，但我还想还以一个游泳运动员的身份继续比赛，也是为了不辜负那些一直关注我的人，喜欢我的粉丝。我一直是一个不服输的人，为了我自己这么多年的坚持，决定回归也是给自己一个交待。
澎湃新闻：接到仲裁结果那一刻你在想什么？
孙杨：当时的情景我现在都记得特别清楚，我正在训练馆备战东京奥运会，我和我的体能教练在一起，当时我母亲过来要接我回家，我说我不想回家，我想一个人静一静。当我从宿舍走下楼的过程中我和我的母亲和我的团队工作人员说，你们一定要相信我，4年后我一定会回来，请你们一定要支持我。4年的时间，4个365天，对我来说既痛苦又漫长，但现在回头看这一切都已经过去了。
澎湃新闻：能介绍一下正式恢复训练这段时间你的生活状态吗？
孙杨：其实这四年我的生活基本都保持着两点一线，就是训练馆和家，我依然用职业运动员的标准在要求自己。跟之前不同的是没有那么多比赛，有更多的时间陪伴家人。
澎湃新闻：宣布正式回归以后训练强度会增大吗？能适应吗？
孙杨：最近开始会有一些高强度训练，偶尔会感到疲惫。但我的状态一直还不错，遇到一些小的困难都可以克服。其实运动员每一天都在和自己的伤病、疲惫以及内心的压力作斗争，我现在所能做的就是努力训练，保持身体健康，保持自信的心态。
澎湃新闻：现在每天会训练多久？
孙杨：一堂训练课大概是7000米到8000米，一天上两堂训练课大概需要五个小时。训练结束后需要做理疗，每天结束回家大概是晚上9点左右，然后吃晚饭。
孙杨一天上两堂训练课大概需要五个小时。
澎湃新闻：会测试现在自己的竞技状态吗？
孙杨：不会专门去测试，更多的还是正常的训练，我自认为还是保持着良好的竞技状态。当年东京奥运会期间自己有测试过，当时我的成绩还是冠军的水准。
澎湃新闻：宣布正式回归赛场，有压力吗？
孙杨：压力肯定是有的，游泳运动员的巅峰期大概在28岁左右，我今年已经32岁。现在能明显感觉到自己的恢复能力和之前相比有下降，想维持同样的状态可能需要付出之前几倍的努力，但我还是想和自己比一比。我现在对名次和金牌都不像从前那么执着和在意，我更在意坚持和努力本身的意义，我想突破传统的思维和壁垒，去寻求一种更高的精神力量。
“好的坏的都记得，但不再容易被影响”
澎湃新闻：离开赛场的四年多的时间都忙什么？
孙杨：生活重心还是日复一日的训练从未间断过，我从7岁就开始正式游泳训练，已经游了20多年，我的生活离不开泳池，即使没有比赛，我也没有放松对自己的要求。这4年离开赛场的生活也让我有了更多的精力去陪伴家人和学习，我遇到我的妻子组建了家庭，我正在上海体育大学读博士，去年也被长江商学院录取，现在每周都利用训练之余的时间上课。
澎湃新闻：为什么决定把更多精力放在学习上？
孙杨：回想之前十几年如一日的训练和比赛，一直闷在池子里的生活其实是很枯燥乏味的。我一直觉得自己对这个社会的认知是非常的不够，所以一直希望能有机会能去学校里多充实自己，这几年的学习给我的生活增添了不少的色彩，不但学到了知识更结识到了很多有趣的老师和同学，让我受益良多。
澎湃新闻：错过了两届奥运会也错过了很多的游泳赛事，遗憾吗？
孙杨：刚开始会比较在意，尤其是东京奥运会的时候我还会用自己的测试成绩和他们的赛事成绩去比较，这两年没有太关注各种赛事和选拔了。因为我会回到赛场，我希望到时候能用成绩证明自己。
澎湃新闻：这几年里你有没有经历过人生的低谷？
孙杨：2020年刚收到结果的那段时间是整个人状态最差的时候吧，不想和任何人说话和沟通。当时因为种种原因也没法正常的进行训练，我就只能在我家楼下健身房的泳池里游泳，不停地游泳，游到我父母都怕了，怕我的精神状态出问题。现在想起来那段时间是我父母对我最宽容的一段时间，因为他们从小就对我要求很严格，一直督促我认真训练，只有那段时间他们对我百依百顺，我说什么都答应，就怕我遇到打击以后想不开。
澎湃新闻：想过放弃吗？比如彻底离开赛场换一种活法。
孙杨：没有，这几年其实不少人都劝我换个赛道重新开始，但我从来没有过这个念头。这期间有过懈怠的时候，很多时候确实不想练了，我会通过出门走走散散心来调整，但从没有想过放弃。
澎湃新闻：后来是怎么走出来的？
孙杨：自己的调整和家人的陪伴以及组织的关怀。因为运动本身能分泌多巴胺，是缓解坏情绪的一个好方法，坚持训练一直是我保持好心态的一个基础，家人的陪伴也给了我很大的动力，我的父亲跟我说，人生要学会享受巅峰，也要学会从低谷中爬起来。这几年的时间里，组织和领导也在一直给我鼓励和帮助，今天我能决定回归赛场应该要感谢所有人，是大家的合力给了我今天重新出发的勇气。
孙杨和家人在一起。
澎湃新闻：去年你也组建了自己的家庭，对你有什么特殊含义吗？
孙杨：很感谢我的妻子，在我人生比较低谷的时候遇到了她，她的出现给我了很多的陪伴和鼓励。我的妻子有一次跟我开玩笑，说如果没有这段低谷期我可能也不会和她相识相知走到一起，我想可能真的是这样，很多事情不能钻牛角尖只在乎自己失去了什么，忘了自己收获了什么，要学会和自己和解，学会放下。
澎湃新闻：你现在怎么总结离开赛场这4年零3个月的时间？
孙杨：我觉得这四年时间收获多过遗憾。我还是原来的我，但变得沉稳了。这几年经历了很多痛苦，赛场上赛场下也有很多关于我的新闻和流言蜚语，这些好的坏的我都记得，我不像以前那样容易被影响了，现在的我变得更加专注，专注于我认为重要的事情。
“很想念站在比赛跳发台的感觉”
澎湃新闻：回顾你之前的运动生涯，哪个瞬间让你印象最深刻？
孙杨：现在回想起来赛场上的每一刻都让我记忆犹新，印象最深刻的还是里约奥运会上200米自由泳的金牌，我觉得那个金牌证明了很多。
澎湃新闻：会怀念站在赛场上的感觉吗？
孙杨：会，最近的训练我也经常在模拟正式比赛的感觉了，很想念正式比赛中站在跳发台上的感觉。
孙杨在训练中。
澎湃新闻：现在有具体复出后的参赛计划吗？
孙杨：现在还在确定中，预计今年的下半年会正式回归赛场。
澎湃新闻：想到马上要比赛了，有压力吗？
孙杨：我觉得现在的我不会为了没有发生的事情而焦虑，以前的我想到马上要比赛了肯定觉得很有压力，但是现在我只觉得做好当下的每一次训练，等真正有了比赛再有压力也不迟。最近我特别喜欢网上看到的一句话“生而无畏 战至终章”，我觉得这八个字是我现在的座右铭，我希望自己现在可以更勇敢地去战斗，不是和对手去比，而是每一天都努力比昨天的自己做得更好一点。
澎湃新闻：很多运动员都会说“最大的对手是自己”，你怎么看？
孙杨：以前的我不理解这句话，原来在赛场上看着泳池里一个个对手，心里想我的对手肯定是他们怎么会是自己呢？现在我理解这句话了，到最后真正困扰你的都是你自己的心魔，是坚持还是放弃，怎么面对自己的内心才是最要紧的。
孙杨称很想念正式比赛中站在跳发台上的感觉。
澎湃新闻：现在的你有很多种身份，“运动员”“商人”“网络红人”，你怎么看待这些标签？
孙杨：我就是一个体育人，我现在所做的一切都是围绕我运动员的身份展开的，未来可能还会有其他赛道的规划，但一切的根本就是我是个游泳运动员。
澎湃新闻：什么时候会选择退役？
孙杨：退役这件事目前还没考虑过，可能到我真的觉得跟不上比赛节奏的那一天就会选择退下来。我有很多非常喜欢的运动员比如费德勒、德约科维奇、C罗，还有NBA的詹姆斯，他们都是各个领域的顶尖运动员，费德勒40岁才正式退役，其他几位也都是接近40岁的运动员仍然奋战在体育赛场，我想和他们学习，当然高龄运动员对比年轻的运动员要付出多好几倍的努力，这也是我未来会面临的挑战。
澎湃新闻：有规划过退役后的生活吗？
孙杨：工作方面的话肯定还是围绕体育产业本身，会结合当下新的各种业态，去更好的推动游泳这项运动，包括给更多退役的运动员打造一个新的就业平台等。家庭方面会选择更多的陪伴妻子和父母，之前虽然常年在世界各地比赛，但其实从来没有自己的时间可以到处转转，真的退下来那天会跟家人多到各地旅游放松一下，弥补一下这么多年没有陪伴家人的遗憾。
新闻译文：
In an interview with The Paper, Sun Yang stated that four years of pain and regret have passed, and now he has decided to return to the field and give himself an explanation.
During the four years and three months of being banned, Sun Yang said that he never stopped swimming training. Since being selected at the age of 7, he has been swimming this "lane" for over 20 years, day after day.
Probably no one would doubt his talent and diligence. Sun Yang, who became famous at a young age and won a Grand Slam, set a swimming world record that remained unbroken for 13 years.
But at his most spirited moment, everything came to an abrupt end.
On February 28, 2020, the International court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) announced that Chinese swimmer Sun Yang had failed to comply with the regulations of the World Anti Doping agency (WADA) by disrupting anti doping sampling and would be banned for 8 years. However, Sun Yang's previous performance remains valid. In this regard, Sun Yang decided to appeal to the Swiss Federal Supreme Court.
The appeal was ultimately unsuccessful. On March 4, 2022 local time, the Swiss Federal Supreme Court announced that the ban on Sun Yang will be maintained until the end of May 2024.
Looking back now, Sun Yang said that that period was "painful and long". He didn't want to talk to anyone for a while, and there was no place to train normally. So he swam in the gym downstairs and kept swimming until his parents were scared.
He survived the most difficult time. In four years, he got married and returned to campus to study. At this time, Sun Yang, who was sitting in front of us in an interview, was 32 years old, in good condition and looked much more calm.
Over the years, he has remembered all the good and bad news and rumors about him, but now he is less likely to be affected by them.
Returning to the field, he is no longer young and may need to put in several times the effort to maintain his previous form. However, he still wants to work harder. This time, his opponent is himself.
[Below is an exclusive interview with Sun Yang by Pengpai News]
"Deciding to return is giving oneself an explanation"
Pengpai News: When did you make the decision to return to the competition?
Sun Yang: In 2020, when I received the final arbitration result, I made up my mind that I would definitely come back in 4 years and not choose to retire.
Pengpai News: Why did you make this decision?
Sun Yang: First of all, I want to persist in my love for swimming. Although I am no longer young, I still want to continue competing as a swimmer, in order not to disappoint those who have always followed me and loved my fans. I have always been a person who refuses to give up. For the sake of my years of perseverance, deciding to return is also an explanation for myself.
Pengpai News: What were you thinking at the moment you received the arbitration result?
Sun Yang: I remember the scene very clearly now. I was preparing for the Tokyo Olympics at the training center, and I was with my fitness coach. My mother came to pick me up and I said I didn't want to go home, I wanted to be alone. As I walked downstairs from the dormitory, my mother, my team members, and I said, "You must trust me. I will definitely come back in 4 years. Please support me.". Four years, four 365 days, were both painful and long for me, but looking back now, all of this has already passed.
Pengpai News: Can you introduce your life status during the official resumption of training?
Sun Yang: Actually, in the past four years, my life has basically maintained two lines, namely the training center and home. I still demand myself with the standards of a professional athlete. Unlike before, there are not as many competitions and more time to spend with family.
Pengpai News: Will the training intensity increase after announcing the official return? Can you adapt?
Sun Yang: Recently, there will be some high-intensity training and occasional fatigue. But my condition has always been good, and I can overcome some small difficulties. In fact, athletes are struggling with their injuries, fatigue, and inner pressure every day. What I can do now is to train hard, maintain physical health, and maintain a confident mindset.
Pengpai News: How long do you train every day now?
Sun Yang: A training class is about 7000 to 8000 meters long, and two training classes a day take about five hours. After the training, it is necessary to undergo physical therapy. Every day, it is around 9 pm when I return home, and then I have dinner.
Sun Yang's two training classes a day take about five hours.
Pengpai News: Will you test your current competitive state?
Sun Yang: I don't specifically test it, but rather train normally. I believe I still maintain a good competitive state. During the Tokyo Olympics, I tested myself and my performance was still at the level of a champion.
Pengpai News: Announcing official return to the competition, is there any pressure?
Sun Yang: There must be pressure, the peak period for swimmers is around 28 years old, and I am already 32 years old this year. I can clearly feel that my recovery ability has declined compared to before. Maintaining the same state may require several times the effort I put in before, but I still want to compare myself. I am not as persistent and concerned about ranking and gold medals as I used to be. I am more concerned about the meaning of perseverance and hard work itself. I want to break through traditional thinking and barriers, and seek a higher spiritual power.
"Remember the good and bad, but no longer easily influenced"
Pengpai News: What have you been busy with for over four years since leaving the field?
Sun Yang: The focus of my life is still on daily training without interruption. I started formal swimming training at the age of 7 and have been swimming for over 20 years. My life cannot be separated from the swimming pool, and even without competitions, I have not relaxed my demands on myself. The four years of leaving the field have also given me more energy to accompany my family and study. I met my wife and started a family. I am currently pursuing a PhD at Shanghai Sport University and was also admitted to Changjiang Business School last year. Now, I use my spare time from training to attend classes every week.
Pengpai News: Why did you decide to focus more energy on studying?
Sun Yang: Looking back on the training and competitions that lasted for more than a decade, the life that had been stuck in the pool was actually very dull and boring. I have always felt that my understanding of this society is very limited, so I have always hoped to have the opportunity to go to school to enrich myself. In recent years, my studies have added a lot of color to my life. Not only have I learned knowledge, but I have also met many interesting teachers and classmates, which has benefited me a lot.
Pengpai News: Missing two Olympic Games and many swimming events is regrettable?
Sun Yang: At first, I would pay more attention, especially during the Tokyo Olympics. I would also compare my test results with their competition results. In the past two years, I haven't paid much attention to various competitions and selections. Because I will return to the field, I hope to prove myself with my grades then.
Pengpai News: Have you ever experienced a low point in your life in the past few years?
Sun Yang: The period when I first received the results in 2020 was probably the worst period for me, and I didn't want to talk or communicate with anyone. At that time, due to various reasons, I couldn't train properly, so I could only swim in the swimming pool of my gym downstairs. I kept swimming until my parents were scared, afraid that my mental state would be affected. Looking back now, that was the time when my parents were the most tolerant of me, because they had been very strict with me since I was young and had always urged me to train seriously. Only during that time did they alwa
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